We know he went to Epstien's island and have little reason to not believe the victim's account, given that much of what she had so far said checks out. Then I started thinking about a question that rms sent me in an email exchange some years ago. profile. A guy who has sex with a 10 year old is BOTH a pedophile and a rapist (as well as weapons-grade creepy). See the complete profile on LinkedIn and discover Richard’s connections and jobs at similar companies. However, RMS does have a rep. for speaking what he feels, and failing to avoid pomposity, so that should be taken into account on any analysis. Comment removed based on user account deletion. View Richard Stallman’s profile on LinkedIn, the world’s largest professional community. You might even argue that coercion is worse, especially given the way Epstien did it that resulted in multiple assaults over a prolonged period of time and which allowed him to keep doing it repeatedly for years. A guy who desires sex with children is a pedophile, even if he never acts on that desire. features he wanted to pay for. If we can't say that without "undermining the movement" then we have a problem, because apparently the movement isn't bigger than just RMS and legitimate criticism isn't allowed. Mis-construe something someone said and then sic the outrage mob on them. Free Software Foundation | 10,575 followers on LinkedIn. He did, but he didn't do it in a crystal clear way that couldn't be misconstrued. Stallman is a nutter about many things, but here he appears to have been dragged by SJWs for his take on crimes that never occurred. Ironically, this is exactly what's happening in China these days only much, much worse because there the government is the mob and they're coming for you. biological maturity is the important border. That's right. possibly making it illegal in that jurisdiction (I don't know, what is the age of consent there?). Your reference for "whole thread" isn't even clear. The views expressed here are my personal views, not those of the Free Software Foundation or the GNU Project. Richard Stallman was a visiting scientist at MIT’s Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory, known as CSAIL, and founder and president of … Rape is sex without informed consent. ...but what it doesn't say is that she actually had sex with Minsky. The free software movement inspired a number of projects to choose the open source GPL license. This is the personal web site of Richard Stallman. If a woman walks up to you, grabs your crotch, smiles at you while maintaining eye contact and says, "Hi there Big Boy, your room or mine?". It was a total non-apology. What is its origin, The Code of Hammurabi? That's both extremely improbable and not an actual defence of what was still likely to have been a crime, i.e. No, I understand very clearly that it's extremely possible to be unaware that the person with whom you're interacting is being coerced. If he's never around children, never looks at child porn, whatever, he's still a pedophile. Having sex with a 17 year old is statutory rape, but is not pedophilia. Can you really say it's worse to use violence than to use coercion though? permitted provided this notice is preserved. If you're going to say something then take full ownership. He tried to offer an explanation of what happened. New Amazon book: I Feel Hurt. People actually have been saying that. Marvin Minsky is dead. Can you really say it's worse to use violence than to use coercion though?You are missing the point. Minsky turned her down. I am indeed making the case that, when it comes to teenagers, the age of consent is absolutely arbitrary because many Western, first-world countries will have any given teenage age as acceptable (except 13 you'd have to go to South Korea). You should never defend anyone who's being subjected to a witch hunt. Famed computer scientist Richard Stallman has resigned from his position at MIT over recent comments he made concerning Jeffrey Epstein’s … Gregory Benford [pjmedia.com], who was on the island as part of a technical conference at the time (which Epstein threw, whether for noble or nefarious reasons is unclear), said that it never happened. principle. Taking out the open source movement with the SJWs! The time. That's also rape because there's no informed consent. what users said when referring others to his account, View Richard Stallman’s profile on LinkedIn, the world’s largest professional community. Try arguing in court that a 73 year old man being propositioned by a 17 year old girl he had only recently met could reasonably have believed that she was a willing participant. See the complete profile on LinkedIn and discover Richard’s connections and jobs at similar companies. Its the new way - from Sir Tim Hunt who was shamed for some remarks that one of the outrage mob arbitarily decided deserved public attack. So what's your point? See the complete profile on LinkedIn and discover Richard Stallman’s connections and jobs at similar companies. RMS's statement certainly does seem ridiculous on the face of it. It's super cheap too. [4], https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org], (* footnote: technically, pedophilia is the desire to have sex with children (defined as under the age of puberty). Bullshit. I don't think it makes him a horrible rapist and we should shred his books and burn him in effigy, but it's a moral failing to see a young girl in a situation that has all kinds of warning signs and to just be content that, well, she didn't say she was being trafficked so it's OK. Jeffrey Epsteinwas a billionaire American financier. Ah yes, the newest definition of rape: insufficient suavete. Pay toilets are nasty, and ought to be illegal. requirement. I'm not saying you are wrong, and I'm not saying you are right: I'm just saying that the accusation is severe enough that it should not be made without something to back it up. I wish I could have prevented the misunderstanding. This you do because it is the right thing to do.RMS was not defending Marvin Minsky. Rape means having sex with some one without consent. A paying customer of LinkedIn closed his account, feeling But, they enjoy being the center of attention, so they're picking on an old man who put. the original deposition says (and doesn't say)... Re:the original deposition says (and doesn't say). Mind you Stallman wasn't doubting that it's a crime. And there's nothing intrinsically immoral about setting n=18. That is surely a conspiracy that goes deep. ... can often get you into trouble. Is that so hard to grasp for you? Did this happen precisely as she has describe? Linux is one of those projects. And there's a big difference between the common meaning of 'statutory rape' and 'sexual assault'. The entire first third and last third of your paragraph that is victim blaming is unimportant, immaterial and serves only to cloud the issue. The basic rule was that when you were accused there was no way to prove yourself innocent. Details are vastly important, when you are accusing someone of a crime, and time modifies memories, and can even create ones where they weren't before. I'm sorry for publicly announcing my half-considered stupid viewpoint in defense of a friend. For current political commentary, see The real slick people are good at figuring which are which. Uhhhh you DO know that Stallman also defended pedophilia...right? to delete his account immediately. Then what? It says she was instructed to have sex with Minsky. Whatever conduct you want to criticize, you should describe it with a specific term that avoids moral vagueness about the nature of the criticism.". In criminal and especially controversial situations where you are not involved, it's best not to comment or invent hypotheticals. Yes but being the law doesn't make it right or wrong. restrictions on what information users can put in the It should all be in the cloud governed by faceless public corporations who can always blame any transgressions on careless subordinates and have their leadership replaced and changed at whim by their shadowy owners. The age of consent is 18. Have AIDS and don't tell your partner? RMS's apology should have been something along the lines of "I am an old man out of touch with everything outside of certain computer-related issues. To directly or indirectly benefit from such access. Ve el perfil de Richard Stallman en LinkedIn, la mayor red profesional del mundo. The bog standard "never play defence" strategy. Perhaps that's the case, perhaps not, but his restating of this literal truth does nothing to actually answer it. Almost absolutely not. If not it's all guesswork either way. In plenty of cultures that is a normal thing, while not very common, obviously. … At best he was hopelessly naive and doesn't appear to have questioned the very odd situation he found himself in. Super sharing options. A trafficked sex slave who waited more than ten years to report it to the police, pretty much guaranteeing that not only will all evidence have vanished but the statute of limitations will probably have expired even if some evidence does miraculously turn up? The one Cory Doctorow also warned us about. View the profiles of professionals named "Stallman" on LinkedIn. After her first menstruation she can have sex. Just a few leaks and you win. We are now ordered to believe unquestionably, any statement made by any woman, at any time. In a fucked up country perhaps, where you get indoctrinated with that believe from child hood on. If you're going to make a claim that serious, you need to cite a source. Explore our plans. Yep, you're guilty of sexual assault there, right? I see nothing in your post that inclines me to hate RMS. She doesn't say -- and isn't asked -- if she actually did have sex with him. And why the funk would she not have sex with a 70 year old? There is something about this long waiting period that is rather strange. Without evidence, you wouldn't assume the. Nowhere did he say that KNOWINGLY doing that wouldn't be a crime. I would like to believe that RMS just phrased it incorrectly, but in his response post he only says he was not defending Epstien. He's dead for a start. But, even more so, this is a tricky question, since we actually don't know what happened. Gaw - who knows? no-one is suggesting that Weinstein used force but he certainly used coercion, and his actions are therefore legally and morally considered to be sexual assault and/or rape. This way, we can soon call jaywalking "rape". I'm mostly missing the point of your advice. Or not? This using evidence and investigation, and due process. I was referring to your standard tactic of throwing out a ridiculous straw man in the hope that the other person goes on the defensive. Assuming she wasbeing coerced by Epstein, he would have had every reason to tell herto conceal that from most of his associates. Just because you can not imagine yourself wanting sex with a 70 year old? In German law two 14 year olds can consent to each other to have sex. Sheesh, at least pick someone plausible like Clinton or Trump where there's a good chance they'd actually have done it. the daily Forcible rape is one variety of rape, but not the only variety. It's telling that her deposition doesn't actually say she had sex with Minsky-- it just says she was "instructed" to do so. It seems to me that what RMS was saying was "My dead friend allowed himself to be seduced by a 17 year old woman, and that was wrong, but it's not the same as dragging a 17 year old woman into an alleyway and forcing yourself on her, and I think the distinction is important. Interviste a Richard Stallman, Linus Torvalds, Eric Raymond e tutti i protagonisti di questa rivoluzione, sovrapposte alla storia di un sistema operativo, Linux, e di una comunità di hacker che si confrontano con Microsoft e le altre grandi multinazionali del software. Either he doesn't understand the problem with what he said, or he is doubling down on it. Minsky isn't the subject of a witch hunt. That is how most people understand it too I think, e.g. The business of waiting until long after the statute of limitations just gives the whole thing a strange list of "why's". Try for free. Neither psychology nor the law agree with your menstruation-based fundamentalist viewpoint. Actually if you look at the leaked emails other members of the list did pull him up on the correctness of his definition of sexual assault. There just isn't a plausible way any reasonable person in that situation, a 73 year old man with a 17 year girl, on an island, being propositioned apparently because she was just in to sleeping with guys over 50 years her senior that she had only just met, would think it was not at least suspicious. Oh good lord trying to defend pedophilia because it involves someone you like...you sir are seriously fucked up, do you know that? seems like an injustice to me. (Kindest explanation I can offer.)). Looks like at least one member of that list was not, however, and misreported his comments. self-serving No, I'm not going to put much stock in that. What a waste of time! To defend the such an innocent person is a heroic act. (My new economic model became much more symmetric, po. Linkedin; Youtube . Heroic in that it will likely fail and you will likely be destroyed and vilified in the process. Legally speaking even if you are mislead into committing a crime, it's still a crime. It was not intended to make you hate him. the whole system worked, and it worked fast and well. All moralists here have to admit this and shut up. But the concept of whether it was consensual or not is another matter. That she's using this misunderstanding to push a misandrist policy of denigrating men makes her an imbecile that requires strong criticism for her sexism. Better conversion. Very disingenuous. Have sex with a partner who's drunk or comatose? View Richard Stallman’s profile on LinkedIn, the world's largest professional community. Especially when he has the impression she offers it to him. The article you linked is another of the ones that Stallman points out mis-interpreted what he said. 18 in the alleged circumstances [visuperiorcourt.org]. And you don't think we should fight for a world in which people can say what they mean and not be vilified by those with a low reading comprehension? Social media is in effect censoring people because of the outrage mob mentality that comes with anything slightly triggering. At this stage of the conversation, we have only righteous outrage. And with all of the support, very little psychological damage. So a 56 year age gap (73 and 17 at the time) would have made it illegal even if she had consented, or Minsky believed she had consented. Don't use Intel processors newer than Core2, because they have the "management engine" back door. I don't think it's particularly hilarious, but it seems apt. It says she went to the private island in order to have sex with Minsky. In my judgment, Minsky knew or should have known or should have figured out whether her consent was given freely and without coercion. He had *specific* training by Intelligence Services on *precisely* how to threaten women to get them to do what he wanted, and would also have received similar training on psychological profiling, as well as ACTIVE SURVEILLANCE dossiers in order to "use" those women as weapons against the selectively targetted influential individuals. However, that same 17 year old may be driven by other reasons than her own wishes if a 73 year old courts her. View Richard Stallman’s profile on LinkedIn, the world's largest professional community. Read what RMS actually said, not what the press claimed he said. If I say that there is a comment, somewhere out there on the internet, which shows that you do? RMS was excusing it, which does indeed make him the asshole here. Is it just me or does that whole story sound completely bogus? Apparently, Epstein just enjoyed hanging out with leading scientists. If the person is under the age of consent, whatever that is, it's rape. On modern versions of macOS, you simply can’t power on your computer, launch a text editor or eBook reader, and write or read, without a log of your activity being transmitted and stored. — that we must manage our own digital identities, Posted by CowboyNeal on Saturday November 19, 2005 @11:04AM from the of-all-the-reasons dept. He also developed several software like GCC, Emacs under the GNU project. After knowing the guy for 40+ years, he felt like Minsky wasn't the type to rape underage (or any age) women. refused According to his later clarification, he pissed off a lot of people who were to stupid to "get" what he was saying.He does this a lot. See the complete profile on LinkedIn and discover Richard’s connections and jobs at similar companies. (*). Not sure I'd put much stake in his views on what constitutes an appropriate relationship. Doing so is like playing Russian Roulette along: you're only hurting yourself and there is nothing to be gained. Did she proposition him? Perhaps this is effective only for users of the most common I think it's a bit more nuanced than that, but essentially yes. Having sex with a woman of legal age is legal. Born in (born March 16, 1953), Manhattan, Richard Stallman became acquainted with a computer at high school, in 1969, at the age of 16 years. 2016-12-16. Why - if after all of this, would she not march straight to a police station upon returning hmoe and report that she was raped? And the judge will figure if it was rape, pedophile etc. Plus, the girl was only 17 at the time, possibly making it illegal in that jurisdiction (I don't know, what is the age of consent there?). Did court of law already ruled that it's a rape? [1][2] Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12,[3] criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13. Our unique network of experts and innovators share Here, however, I'm willing to go with the definition of pedophilia as acting on the desire to have sex with children.). !If Minsky did not know she is coerced into having sex with him: he is not guilty, everything else is: irrelevant!! And sure, there are lots of things you don't put in writing. I see nothing that he said that defends Epstein. If you remove the rounding errors and make her 20 and him 70 its a 50 year old age difference. I know people who have experience in this matter. Was she dissembling? If that's the case he should say so clearly, but at the moment his response makes it appear he intended to actually argue the definition. ignorance of the law or being "tricked" into breaking it isn't usually a viable defence. The coverage totally mischaracterised my statements. But if you hire a prostitute and only later find out that she was coerced into sleeping with you under threat of death will you consider yourself a rapist? OTOH "Girl who may or may not have been underage only she can't remember propositions octogenerian who politely turned her down" doesn't make for nearly as good a headline, And read it as a pedant, paying extreme attention to the precise definitions of the words used, and with little to no understanding of cultural context or subtext. Whether Minksy had sex with her or turned her down seems important. Sorry but if they are not adults THEY CANNOT CONSENT period the end. But many people now believe I defended him -- and other inaccurate claims -- and [I] feel a real hurt because of what they believe I said. So, yeah, statutory rape is a possibility, though in many jurisdictions the minor misrepresenting themselves as older can be a valid defense where there is no allegation of an actual assault to answer. I'm one of RMS's biggest fans, but he screwed up here. RMS supposes that Minsky knew nothing about that and that Eppstein did the coercion.So no: Minsky did nothing wrong! I've called him a "serial rapist", and said he deserved to be imprisoned. A person of influence who dismissed this very unreliable accusation would risk being accused of trying to cover up abuse. Check out all of SourceForge’s improvements. Pedophilia (alternatively spelt paedophilia) is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children. ... pedophilia is defined as attracting to PRE-PUBESCENT CHILDREN. and remembered events differently to those presented as fact, Re: Taking out the open source movement with the S, Not pedophilia [Re:Taking out the open source', Re:Not pedophilia [Re:Taking out the open source', Literally true, but that kind of misses the point, Re: Literally true, but that kind of misses the po, RMS has chosen the wrong side in this debate, Defeating Trump, Joe Biden Declared Winner of US Presidential Election, Trump Attacks Legitimate Vote-Counting Efforts and Claims Fraud Without Basis, America Now Has Most COVID-19 Deaths in the World -- 20% of All Fatalities. For current political commentary, see the daily political notes.. RMS's Bio | The GNU Project He did defend Minsky in the sense that he doesn't BELIEVE Minsky would KNOWINGLY do such a thing. It has to do with biological sexual maturity. After her first menstruation she can have sex. Yeah, that's a really plausible story. Follow Slashdot blog updates by subscribing to our blog RSS feed. Even then it can still be a crime. All pedophila is statutory rape, but not all statutory rape is pedophilia. | Follow Slashdot on LinkedIn × Richard Stallman Answers Questions at EmacsConf 2020 (emacsconf.org) 57. There are no other public statements that. Reasons not to use Intel. They're linked from the last of your links above (theverge). LinkedIn implements censorship on behalf of the repressive Chinese state. Sentencing may however treat it as a mitigating factor. RMS is a idealist and an idealogue, but he is not stupid. Note that even the crappy original NYT story never tries to claim that anything happened, and Greg Benford [wikipedia.org], who was there with Minsky, says specifically that nothing happened. I think she misunderstood his contribution to the conversation and why it's a legitimate one that in no way denigrates the victims of sexual assault. I feel like I have to add a disclaimer that I'm not at _ALL_ defending Epstein, but there are some useful facts. Please don't pay to use a pay toilet. The 15 year old may have believed they were a willing participant but the law does not recognise their ability to consent. No, we don't have to admit that, and we don't have to shut up. So because it's entirely arbitrary, actual freely given consent is what's morally important, because the technical legal. According to his later clarification, he pissed off a lot of people who were to stupid to "get" what he was saying.He does this a lot. Right? Richard Matthew Stallman (/ ˈ s t ɑː l m ən /; born March 16, 1953), also known by his initials, rms, is an American free software movement activist and programmer.He campaigns for software to be distributed in a manner such that its users receive the freedoms to use, study, distribute, and modify that software. Because we would not even be having this discussion without slippery slope in action. Minsky screwed up in a bad way, and painful as it is we just have to confront that. He posted to an internal MIT mailing list -- to an audience which, one would hope, would be concerned with correctness. If an adult and a real 15-year-old agree to meet in a cafe, and if they later have sex, that doesn't mean anyone did anything wrong. As someone else on the mailing list responded, that's not a good idea to say the least. the company your address book, self-serving (Also, rms has been tenured for so long that his understanding of economics is minimal. Many people are not interested in hearing your "I'm not interested in whether statements are correct or not" bullshit. I agree, that's the most plausible scenario. Because RMS is such a pedant, with such limited understanding of context and subtext, and that's how he speaks. So, in your opinion, (self) censorship is the solution? RMS argues that arbitrary age cut-offs for statutory rape are morally difficult to justify and that's certainly a discussion we could have, but it doesn't change the fact that legally it's still rape. For the sake of separation, this site has always been hosted elsewhere and managed separately. https://selamgano.wordpress.co... [wordpress.com]. Now I want to ask a followup question, is it plausible that brain-the-size-of-a-planet Minsky ever suspected anything was amiss, or did he believe that she was entirely willing? Could be. LinkedIn makes it "near impossible" to sign up without giving the company your address book . I don't think he was being pedantic in this case, he was trying to defend his friend (Minsky). I'm not going to cite any evidence on that - but can you prove that I am making a false accusation? Looks as if you failed your biology class. It appears that the author's full name (Selam Jie Gano) was left out of the summary and Medium article. Unfortunately I can't find a copy of the unsealed records online. The fact that you'll pull your usual "Public masturbation of" crap in reply to this response shocks me not at all, despite being entirely unwelcome. I don't know her exact age, and I don't care enough to research it, but in that timeframe should should have been 17-20ish. RMS "knew or should have known" that his comments would have been taken as defense of Epstein and his ilk.He chose to make the comments and he is being held accountable for the predictable public outcry. Can it be proven at this point? profile, refused I was at MIT during the 1990s, in a lab across the hall from Richard Stallman's office. FWIW, I'm typing this on a GNU/Linux machine ;). I am not sure if you are correct or not, but I would like to see more investigation into Epstein. We can strengthen others, and strengthen He just nitpicked at which exact kind of crime it could be. Richard has 1 job listed on their profile. Seriously, this whole COC movement seems tailor made to ruin people who could present any independent leadership of open source through fake allegations magnified by social media. Without JavaScript enabled, you might want to turn on Classic Discussion System in your preferences instead. In the deposition she says she doesn't remember where, when, or how old she was when she had sex with Minsky, just that she claims she did. Nope. The girl in question was 17, not 12. to delete his account immediately, LinkedIn makes it "near impossible" to sign up without. That's the issue here, that he is trying to defend what Minsky did by arguing that he was ignorant of the situation. Except that biological maturity is hard to establish in court, and therefore a poor legal concept. And note that one of the most famous victims, Jaques de Molay, was a man. (the part dealing with Minsky is on page 204, which (confusingly) is page 182 of the pdf). I'm willing to believe something might have happened. Absolutely, defend them. My wife was assaulted by a co-worker, reported it to me immediately, then the business owner, who flew down immediately and took care of everything. "I want to respond to the misleading media … Most legal jurisdictions do not require force to be used for it to be assault. Then LinkedIn This public discussion takes place in a black-and-white world. Turned out it was a much deeper and more insightful question than it seemed at first. We are not responsible for them in any way. Any public figure knows you NEVER write anything down--especially in an electronic medium that is so easily propagated--that you don't want your worst enemy to read.Hell, anybody working in an office knows that. Richard Stallman Does Not and Cannot Speak for the Free Software MovementSeptember 16, 2019We are…See this and similar jobs on LinkedIn. IF she was coerced into sex, then her age is completely irrelevant! Nobody was saying RMS is pro-Epstein, just that RMS's comments that "sexual assault" shouldn't apply to a underage prostitute who was a victim of sex trafficking, as a means of defending a friend, is wildly offensive. There are good reasons that crimes like rape have statues of limitations. To me, it's not so much that these accusations sound bogus as they sound like recollections from many, many years ago. Pedophilia, however, means having sex with somebody under 13. Many people are not interested in hearing your very specific, technically-correct bullshit. Headlines say that I defended Epstein. principle, by encouraging them to take a stand on Posted by EditorDavid on Saturday September 14, 2019 @03:35PM from the MIT-emails dept. There's a pretty good reason why she waited so long, and specifically until after Minksy was dead and could no longer defend himself: It's because nothing happened [archive.is]. That's rape because there's no informed consent. You don't get to say "this child made bad choices" and therefore what happened to her is her fault. There are actual trials in actual courts of law where yes, women have been found to lie under oath. Why would a young woman of intelligence accept such an invitation? And others were nitpicking at his nitpicking. There is however a close-in-age exemption that allows minors 16 and 17 years old to consent with someone no more than five years older than themselves and minors 13 to 15 years old to consent with one another, but not with anyone 16 or over. | Follow Slashdot on LinkedIn × Richard Stallman Challenges 'Misleading' Coverage of His Comments on Marvin Minsky (stallman.org) 383. All the videos have now appeared online for the talks at this year's virtual EmacsConf 2020, "the conference about the joy of Emacs, … The word âoeassaultingâ presumes that he applied force or violence, insome unspecified way, but the article itself says no such thing.Only that they had sex.We can imagine many scenarios, but the most plausible scenario is thatshe presented herself to him as entirely willing. Is it just me or does that whole story sound completely bogus today on his site. You on this matter at child porn, whatever, he 's never around children, never looks child! 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